and in reference to bashar al assad. many of the members of congress of both parties she said have gone it syria in recent months said they believe he's a reformer. now, of both parties. and you to remember something about bashar al assad about the uprising against him in the year 2000, 2001 when he took over from his father, he was viewed as potentially a reformer by many people in western countries. clearly in the last 19 months this notion that in any way he's a reformer has gone out the window. >> 30 seconds, point of contention, that why the u.s. stepped in in libya but not in syria? >> well, we heard it from joe bid biden, but not just joe biden. these are observers, xerts w ex have gone to syria, a bigger country, more populated. the syrian military is stronger, no split between east and west as there was in libya going in. and air support alone probably wouldn't do it. that said, something needs to be done, many people say, what will it be? that's a big question because people are dying. >> final presidential deb